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Today the sea is very dark
it’s an intense dark green.

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Today the sea is very dark
it’s an intense dark green.

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There are a lot of clouds in the sky
and that is why the sea is so dark.

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There are a lot of clouds in the sky
and that is why the sea is so dark.

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That is how I see the future of
my daughter Iratxe, dark.

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That is how I see the future of
my daughter Iratxe, dark.

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From here I see my daughter in the distance,
where the sea meets the sky.

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From here I see my daughter in the distance,
where the sea meets the sky.

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From the shoreline
I want to reach her to bring her home,
to shore. But I can’t,
I don’t know how to swim.

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From the shoreline
I want to reach her to bring her home,
to shore. But I can’t,
I don’t know how to swim.

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My daughter’s friends have prepared a rowboat
for me to go out and get my daughter.

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My daughter’s friends have prepared a rowboat
for me to go out and get my daughter.

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I am trying, I row and I row

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I am trying, I row and I row

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but I don’t get there
and I don’t believe I will get there.

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but I don’t get there
and I don’t believe I will get there.

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I am not young anymore and I will take years to do it.

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I am not young anymore and I will take years to do it.

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I have one comfort and one hope.
Iratxe’s daughter, my grandaughter,
is sailing by my side.

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I have one comfort and one hope.
Iratxe’s daughter, my grandaughter,
is sailing by my side.

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She is a teenager and she will continue rowing
when I no longer can.

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She is a teenager and she will continue rowing
when I no longer can.

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She will fulfill my hope of bringing
her mother safely to shore, home.

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She will fulfill my hope of bringing
her mother safely to shore, home.

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Two breaths

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The Judge is aware that torture is being used.

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The Judge is aware that torture is being used.

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Anti-terrorist legislation does not
allow for torture. Of course.

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Anti-terrorist legislation does not
allow for torture. Of course.

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But if you leave someone in the hands
of the police for five days

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But if you leave someone in the hands
of the police for five days

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and even ignore if they are taken to hospital
and prolong the period of detention...

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and even ignore if they are taken to hospital
and prolong the period of detention...

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Then it is clear that they can
do whatever they please.

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I was born in Uranzu, in the Old Town of Irun.

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I was born in Uranzu, in the Old Town of Irun.

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My parents were also from Irun.

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My parents were also from Irun.

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And how was my upbringing?

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And how was my upbringing?

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I didn’t know my father until I was 4 years old.

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I didn’t know my father until I was 4 years old.

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My father was arrested when my mother
was around 5 months pregnant.

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My father was arrested when my mother
was around 5 months pregnant.

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My father was a republican and after the war
he got involved in some stuff.

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My father was a republican and after the war
he got involved in some stuff.

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They tortured my father and he was left deaf from
the beating he got when he was arrested.

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They tortured my father and he was left deaf from
the beating he got when he was arrested.

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So I knew all this used to happen.

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So I knew all this used to happen.

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The first time that I found out
anything about  torture
was as a kid in La Salle college.

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The first time that I found out
anything about  torture
was as a kid in La Salle college.

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A chap I shared a desk with left
the police station with one tooth less,

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A chap I shared a desk with left
the police station with one tooth less,

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and told us what had happened.

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and told us what had happened.

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It had a huge effect on me when he told
us that they hit him with towels.

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It had a huge effect on me when he told
us that they hit him with towels.

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Why on earth with towels?

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Why on earth with towels?

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Well yes, they took a towel,
put a knot in the towel,
soaked it with water and hit him with it.

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Well yes, they took a towel,
put a knot in the towel,
soaked it with water and hit him with it.

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The struggle I have nowadays
is to accept that torture is also part of me,

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The struggle I have nowadays
is to accept that torture is also part of me,

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and not to let it harm me.

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and not to let it harm me.

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My battle is also to not subdue myself
into the image of a tortured woman,

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My battle is also to not subdue myself
into the image of a tortured woman,

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as a victim or ill woman.
I don't want people to feel pity for me.

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as a victim or ill woman.
I don't want people to feel pity for me.

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What I need is for people to listen to me,
that they believe me,

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What I need is for people to listen to me,
that they believe me,

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they support me....
But pity isn't going to make us win our struggle.

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they support me....
But pity isn't going to make us win our struggle.

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I was born in Algeria in 1950.
Back the, Algeria was a colony.

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I was born in Algeria in 1950.
Back the, Algeria was a colony.

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The so called "independence war" had already begun.

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The so called "independence war" had already begun.

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And in that war, torture was continuously used.

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And in that war, torture was continuously used.

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It was the French who were doing
the torturing, the army,

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It was the French who were doing
the torturing, the army,

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with the consent of the governments.

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with the consent of the governments.

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It was the police, the OAS group,
the extremist "Pieds-noirs" movement.

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It was the police, the OAS group,
the extremist "Pieds-noirs" movement.

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No, I have never spoken to my daughter
about torture. Never.

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No, I have never spoken to my daughter
about torture. Never.

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That might seem strange to some?
Well no. It’s not strange.

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That might seem strange to some?
Well no. It’s not strange.

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She doesn't want to make her mother suffer
more than she has already suffered,

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She doesn't want to make her mother suffer
more than she has already suffered,

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and I didn’t want my daughter to have
to suffer through telling
her mother her experience.

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and I didn’t want my daughter to have
to suffer through telling
her mother her experience.

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It's often an off-limits topic.
We don't talk about it. In my family, for example,

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It's often an off-limits topic.
We don't talk about it. In my family, for example,

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I've always received unconditional love
and support.

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I've always received unconditional love
and support.

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But sometimes,
there are topics which aren't discussed
to prevent the other's suffering.

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But sometimes,
there are topics which aren't discussed
to prevent the other's suffering.

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I myself must say that, at the beginning,
I needed to undergo my own process.

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You have to be ready to be able to talk about it.

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You have to be ready to be able to talk about it.

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Sometimes it's easier to tell people you don't know,
because you can talk about it in another way.

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Sometimes it's easier to tell people you don't know,
because you can talk about it in another way.

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What I have know as I moved forward is that

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What I have know as I moved forward is that

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some of my family members were part of the OAS.
They also tortured.

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some of my family members were part of the OAS.
They also tortured.

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So it isn't only fighting for human rights.

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So it isn't only fighting for human rights.

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It is also an interior reflection,
something personal and familiar.

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It is also an interior reflection,
something personal and familiar.

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I get involved, because it has fallen to me,
because I am a scientist,

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I get involved, because it has fallen to me,
because I am a scientist,

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and so I don’t mind asking questions
and cross examining.
So they go to me and explain.

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and so I don’t mind asking questions
and cross examining.
So they go to me and explain.

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And when the experiences
that have been recorded on video
reach the person involved,

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And when the experiences
that have been recorded on video
reach the person involved,

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and the family,
at a certain moment a decision is
made that everybody in the family will see the DVD.

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This results in a huge shock.

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This results in a huge shock.

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And the people who have explained
what has happened them in this regard,
feel slightly liberated.

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And the people who have explained
what has happened them in this regard,
feel slightly liberated.

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Perhaps simply because they believe
that somebody is listening to them.

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Perhaps simply because they believe
that somebody is listening to them.

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This is something we endeavour to
do in our investigation.

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This is something we endeavour to
do in our investigation.

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You have to look the person who
has gone through this straight in the eye.

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You have to look the person who
has gone through this straight in the eye.

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In the case of victims you have to do that.

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In the case of victims you have to do that.

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Of course I was scared, I was scared prior to 2001.

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Of course I was scared, I was scared prior to 2001.

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Because they often rang my house
at night, and the man that phone used to say that

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Because they often rang my house
at night, and the man that phone used to say that

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what pleased them most
was removing my daughters’ panties.

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what pleased them most
was removing my daughters’ panties.

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So when they arrested my daughter
I was convinced that they were going to torture her.

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So when they arrested my daughter
I was convinced that they were going to torture her.

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It had been signalled previously.

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It had been signalled previously.

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Well I think suffocation has always been used
in one form or another.
We have seen it used in Guantanamo
and other parts of the world.

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Well I think suffocation has always been used
in one form or another.
We have seen it used in Guantanamo
and other parts of the world.

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It is a way of causing enormous suffering
in which you effectively believe that you are
witnessing the end of your life.

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It is a way of causing enormous suffering
in which you effectively believe that you are
witnessing the end of your life.

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And the person enduring it
will do everything possible,
resist and struggle and may even manage to
rip the bag.

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And the person enduring it
will do everything possible,
resist and struggle and may even manage to
rip the bag.

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After which they will calmly put another bag on,
as many as are necessary.

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After which they will calmly put another bag on,
as many as are necessary.

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All the time keeping an eye
on the pulse to see if they are going
to faint or pass out.

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All the time keeping an eye
on the pulse to see if they are going
to faint or pass out.

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Horrible, horrible, and the day she was released...
I mean the day that I went with the lawyers to Madrid,

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Horrible, horrible, and the day she was released...
I mean the day that I went with the lawyers to Madrid,

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when they were taking her to prison.
The lawyer was with her,

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when they were taking her to prison.
The lawyer was with her,

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and he said it had been dreadful,
it had been terrible.

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and he said it had been dreadful,
it had been terrible.

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I don’t think I spoke for a number of days.

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I don’t think I spoke for a number of days.

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They have to cause as much suffering as they can.

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They have to cause as much suffering as they can.

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I would say that the good persecutor
is the one that knows how to take
the suffering to its limits.

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I would say that the good persecutor
is the one that knows how to take
the suffering to its limits.

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Autopsies are not done today
in the same way as they were done in other times.

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Autopsies are not done today
in the same way as they were done in other times.

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If you die from a wet or dry drowning,

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If you die from a wet or dry drowning,

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a hydro emphesema occurs
and that shows that the death is related
to that occurence,

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a hydro emphesema occurs
and that shows that the death is related
to that occurence,

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but also there are people that have
a heart attack or some problem brought on
by an a trauma,

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but also there are people that have
a heart attack or some problem brought on
by an a trauma,

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which leave marks that are non-specific.

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which leave marks that are non-specific.

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The torturer also tries not to leave any marks.

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The torturer also tries not to leave any marks.

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If you leave a mark,
then the victim can report you, they can talk.

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If you leave a mark,
then the victim can report you, they can talk.

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I don’t remember what I was able to do when I got home.

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I don’t think I spoke for the whole journey.

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I don’t think I spoke for the whole journey.

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I arrived home to my sick husband,
as I mentioned before.

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I arrived home to my sick husband,
as I mentioned before.

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And two other children.

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And two other children.

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I couldn’t allow mysef to cry or to shout. Nothing.

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I had to get the strength from somewhere,
I don’t know where, the truth is I don’t know from where.

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I had to get the strength from somewhere,
I don’t know where, the truth is I don’t know from where.

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Often you don’t know where you get the strength
from to push on.

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Often you don’t know where you get the strength
from to push on.

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Becasue that was the situation at home:
a husband who was ill

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Becasue that was the situation at home:
a husband who was ill

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and two children who
I didn’t want to have to go through what
I was going through.

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and two children who
I didn’t want to have to go through what
I was going through.

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A lot of time has passed since
I was arrested and I was released,

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A lot of time has passed since
I was arrested and I was released,

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but I can't have a normal life.
Everything that happened is still in my head.

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but I can't have a normal life.
Everything that happened is still in my head.

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When I go outside
I feel that I will be arrested again,
that the same will happen once more.

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When I go outside
I feel that I will be arrested again,
that the same will happen once more.

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Mostly, I remember those five days,
and I can't be fine with myself.

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Mostly, I remember those five days,
and I can't be fine with myself.

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I don't even know how to put it into words.
When I think about it, I'm overcome by fear.

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I don't even know how to put it into words.
When I think about it, I'm overcome by fear.

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All the images of what they did to me come to my mind.

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All the images of what they did to me come to my mind.

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You see? I start remembering and...

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You see? I start remembering and...

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With time you realise that you can look
at it from a distance.

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With time you realise that you can look
at it from a distance.

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The effects of torture don't appear on the fifth day
but on the sixth.

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The effects of torture don't appear on the fifth day
but on the sixth.

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Suddenly they weight of everything falls on you.
You are somebody else.

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Suddenly they weight of everything falls on you.
You are somebody else.

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I can't explain the feeling,
because I have never felt anything like it,

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I can't explain the feeling,
because I have never felt anything like it,

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so much pain, physical pain...
I had never thought I could feel so much pain,

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so much pain, physical pain...
I had never thought I could feel so much pain,

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or that I would be able to tolerate it.
I have never felt so much fear.

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or that I would be able to tolerate it.
I have never felt so much fear.

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You cannot imagine what it is like
until you go through it.

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You cannot imagine what it is like
until you go through it.

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When it happens, you realise it has happened to you.

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When it happens, you realise it has happened to you.

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Like it has happened to many others,
but you don't realise until that moment.

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Like it has happened to many others,
but you don't realise until that moment.

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I ran outside the house and got the motorbike.
I saw there was a man, but I went to Tolosa.

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I ran outside the house and got the motorbike.
I saw there was a man, but I went to Tolosa.

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I was parking when I felt a gun on my head.

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I was parking when I felt a gun on my head.

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They started shouting:
"We are the Guardia Civil. You are under arrest"

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They started shouting:
"We are the Guardia Civil. You are under arrest"

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My first thought was that I had to run away.

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My first thought was that I had to run away.

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Then I realised there was no escaping.

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Then I realised there was no escaping.

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The fear you feel... What comes now?

00:18:45.760 --> 00:18:52.800
The fear you feel... What comes now?

00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:53.760
I can't remember how long it took
them to search everything.
I just remember I wanted to escape.

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I can't remember how long it took
them to search everything.
I just remember I wanted to escape.

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We live in the third floor,
and I remember thinking about jumping
out of the window

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We live in the third floor,
and I remember thinking about jumping
out of the window

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to avoid isolation. I knew what could happen then.

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to avoid isolation. I knew what could happen then.

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But there was nowhere I could escape.

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But there was nowhere I could escape.

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In the car I had a Spanish Civil Guard at
either side of me,
and to more in the front seats.

00:19:28.040 --> 00:19:36.840
In the car I had a Spanish Civil Guard at
either side of me,
and to more in the front seats.

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They put my head between my legs,
with the bag and handcuffs on.

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They put my head between my legs,
with the bag and handcuffs on.

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They went into the woods,
I could feel it wasn't a paved road.

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They went into the woods,
I could feel it wasn't a paved road.

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They told me to get out and kneel,
that they are going to kill me.

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They told me to get out and kneel,
that they are going to kill me.

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They put a gun to my head and pull the trigger.

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They put a gun to my head and pull the trigger.

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I still carry that memory with me. That sound. Click.

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I still carry that memory with me. That sound. Click.

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That is why what they call pure or white torture

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That is why what they call pure or white torture

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is so important and also so difficult to prove.

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is so important and also so difficult to prove.

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The easiest is to take the line that the media take
and claim that people make up these situations.

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The easiest is to take the line that the media take
and claim that people make up these situations.

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And so the supposition changes. It is curious.

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And so the supposition changes. It is curious.

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It is the only area of investigation in the world
of medical science where the supposition changes.

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It is the only area of investigation in the world
of medical science where the supposition changes.

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If a woman goes to hospital
claiming that she has suffered abuse,

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If a woman goes to hospital
claiming that she has suffered abuse,

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what we nowadys refer to as gender based violence,
the supposition would be that
she has been the victim of abuse.

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what we nowadys refer to as gender based violence,
the supposition would be that
she has been the victim of abuse.

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The doctor doesn’t change the supposition and say,
‘let’s see if it turns out to be a lie
and that the woman is involved in slander”.

00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:41.480
The doctor doesn’t change the supposition and say,
‘let’s see if it turns out to be a lie
and that the woman is involved in slander”.

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You do the clinical examination
with this supposition
in mind and during it you discover that
they have misled you.

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You do the clinical examination
with this supposition
in mind and during it you discover that
they have misled you.

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This doesn’t usually occur. This doesn’t happen.

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This doesn’t usually occur. This doesn’t happen.

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You don't need an expert in legal medicine.

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You don't need an expert in legal medicine.

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You need psychologists and psychiatrists,
who really understand how this happens.

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You need psychologists and psychiatrists,
who really understand how this happens.

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Because the so called white or pure torture,
does leave its signs,

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Because the so called white or pure torture,
does leave its signs,

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but these signs are only psychological.

00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.000
but these signs are only psychological.

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It can leave very serious marks and effects.

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It can leave very serious marks and effects.

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And of the people who have come forward
to tell us their experiences,

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And of the people who have come forward
to tell us their experiences,

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I have personally gathered together
500 personal testimonies
in these  same dependencies

00:22:21.840 --> 00:22:26.680
I have personally gathered together
500 personal testimonies
in these  same dependencies

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These people try to hide a lot of things.

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These people try to hide a lot of things.

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How is a woman going to explain
to you what she is feeling

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How is a woman going to explain
to you what she is feeling

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when they are laughing at her because they have
her naked but haven’t yet begun hitting her.

00:22:36.360 --> 00:22:43.000
when they are laughing at her because they have
her naked but haven’t yet begun hitting her.

00:22:44.560 --> 00:22:44.680
How do you explain that?

00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:46.840
How do you explain that?

00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:58.360
When we arrived in Madrid
they told me we were in Tres Cantos,

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When we arrived in Madrid
they told me we were in Tres Cantos,

00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:06.760
and the sentence: "you will soon see what is to come.
This is where Gurutze Iantzi died".

00:23:06.760 --> 00:23:11.160
and the sentence: "you will soon see what is to come.
This is where Gurutze Iantzi died".

00:23:12.320 --> 00:23:12.440
That was how they welcomed me in Madrid,
and that is when the long interrogation started.

00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:22.080
That was how they welcomed me in Madrid,
and that is when the long interrogation started.

00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:22.840
In my case, they used the "bag" method a lot.

00:23:22.840 --> 00:23:27.960
In my case, they used the "bag" method a lot.

00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:33.040
They used plastic bags. Sometimes one,
sometimes two.

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I reacted by biting the bags,
trying to escape from that feeling of suffocation.

00:23:33.800 --> 00:23:45.480
I reacted by biting the bags,
trying to escape from that feeling of suffocation.

00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:46.000
I was continuously trying to survive. And, as a woman,

00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:55.760
I was continuously trying to survive. And, as a woman,

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I think they know what they are doing.
They know how to use torture in a sexist way

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to break us and make us collapse.
That is how I broke down.

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to break us and make us collapse.
That is how I broke down.

00:24:11.560 --> 00:24:11.680
For one to realise that she is being raped,
is too much to take in.

00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:25.560
For one to realise that she is being raped,
is too much to take in.

00:24:25.560 --> 00:24:31.560
That is when the dissociation starts. It's very hard.

00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:33.520
You feel surrounded by a group who touches
your breasts, your bottom...

00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:41.560
You feel surrounded by a group who touches
your breasts, your bottom...

00:24:42.760 --> 00:24:42.880
and those disgusting moans of pleasure.
I don't know how to describe it...

00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:52.560
and those disgusting moans of pleasure.
I don't know how to describe it...

00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:53.240
Then you ask yourself:
Are they having pleasure with this?

00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:59.240
Then you ask yourself:
Are they having pleasure with this?

00:25:49.080 --> 00:25:49.200
What happened over those days affected
me in such a way that I wasn’t able to speak.

00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:56.840
What happened over those days affected
me in such a way that I wasn’t able to speak.

00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:58.360
Breathe, I could breathe,
because I am still here. But I couldn’t speak.

00:25:58.360 --> 00:26:03.480
Breathe, I could breathe,
because I am still here. But I couldn’t speak.

00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:04.880
I carry it inside me but
I haven’t allowed it to beat me.

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:12.640
I carry it inside me but
I haven’t allowed it to beat me.

00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:14.000
I feel that breathing is fighting back.
It is this fight what lets me breathe.

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:22.200
I feel that breathing is fighting back.
It is this fight what lets me breathe.

00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:22.840
In the police station, in prison,
my breath has sped up,
I have run out of breath...

00:26:22.840 --> 00:26:31.560
In the police station, in prison,
my breath has sped up,
I have run out of breath...

00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:32.800
But thanks to people's support,
the struggle, the utopias, the ideas,
I can breathe again.

00:26:32.800 --> 00:26:45.600
But thanks to people's support,
the struggle, the utopias, the ideas,
I can breathe again.

00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:46.520
I believe Uraitz breathes. My daughter breathes.

00:26:46.520 --> 00:26:50.520
I believe Uraitz breathes. My daughter breathes.

00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:51.360
I think that when I lose my will to fight,
I will stop breathing.

00:26:51.360 --> 00:27:01.480
I think that when I lose my will to fight,
I will stop breathing.

00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:02.840
But as long as the struggle continues,
it doesn't matter where, I will continue breathing.

00:27:02.840 --> 00:27:09.400
But as long as the struggle continues,
it doesn't matter where, I will continue breathing.

00:27:11.320 --> 00:27:11.440
I certainly never think that
my daughter is the only one.

00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:16.960
I certainly never think that
my daughter is the only one.

00:27:17.520 --> 00:27:17.640
As I have been given to opportunity to speak:
I say it and I call it out.

00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.960
As I have been given to opportunity to speak:
I say it and I call it out.

00:27:21.320 --> 00:27:21.440
But I never forget any of them,
everyone should believe me,

00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:28.080
But I never forget any of them,
everyone should believe me,

00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:28.800
all those who have been tortured
or those who have died.

00:27:28.800 --> 00:27:32.920
all those who have been tortured
or those who have died.

00:27:33.600 --> 00:27:33.720
Because they speak of maltreatment but torture
is what was done in police stations

00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:40.680
Because they speak of maltreatment but torture
is what was done in police stations

00:27:41.120 --> 00:27:41.240
and outside them too.

00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.440
and outside them too.

00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:44.040
Talking to other women who
had suffered sexist torture helped me,

00:27:44.040 --> 00:27:49.920
Talking to other women who
had suffered sexist torture helped me,

00:27:50.280 --> 00:27:50.400
specially talking to one, who was raped.

00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.080
specially talking to one, who was raped.

00:27:53.800 --> 00:27:53.920
Feeling that the person I was talking to knew what
I was saying, because she understood my experience

00:27:53.920 --> 00:28:04.120
Feeling that the person I was talking to knew what
I was saying, because she understood my experience

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:05.080
was of great help to help me keep going on.

00:28:05.080 --> 00:28:09.600
was of great help to help me keep going on.

00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:10.320
What has helped me the most
to theorize these experiences
has been the feminist movement

00:28:10.320 --> 00:28:19.560
What has helped me the most
to theorize these experiences
has been the feminist movement

00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:20.080
because putting what
I went through into words wasn't easy.

00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:23.760
because putting what
I went through into words wasn't easy.

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:24.360
I think we all knew what had happened.
But, as a Basque woman,

00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:31.240
I think we all knew what had happened.
But, as a Basque woman,

00:28:31.320 --> 00:28:31.440
it meant understanding the triple oppression
described by Angela Davis.

00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:38.560
it meant understanding the triple oppression
described by Angela Davis.

00:28:38.840 --> 00:28:38.960
Not everyone responded to me.
Bishop Setien and Bishop Uriarte replied to me.

00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:44.840
Not everyone responded to me.
Bishop Setien and Bishop Uriarte replied to me.

00:28:45.040 --> 00:28:45.160
They couldn’t do anything but
I didn’t write to them in order
for them to do anything.

00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:51.720
They couldn’t do anything but
I didn’t write to them in order
for them to do anything.

00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:57.320
Those who can do something are higher up
and the letter didn’t reach them.

00:28:57.800 --> 00:28:57.920
What I wanted to achieve
was that they would hear directly,
not through a newspaper.

00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:06.800
What I wanted to achieve
was that they would hear directly,
not through a newspaper.

00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:07.280
I wanted them to hear what a mother says
happened her daughter.

00:29:07.280 --> 00:29:12.600
I wanted them to hear what a mother says
happened her daughter.

00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:14.080
I wrote those letters so that they would
hear it first hand.

00:29:14.080 --> 00:29:19.000
I wrote those letters so that they would
hear it first hand.

00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:20.280
Maybe afterwards the letters may have gone
in the bin or maybe some were not even read,

00:29:20.280 --> 00:29:26.280
Maybe afterwards the letters may have gone
in the bin or maybe some were not even read,

00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:27.800
but I was left with the satisfaction
of having written and sent them.

00:29:27.800 --> 00:29:31.680
but I was left with the satisfaction
of having written and sent them.

00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:36.600
I knew that they would take me in front
of the judge after 5 days,

00:30:36.600 --> 00:30:40.560
I knew that they would take me in front
of the judge after 5 days,

00:30:40.600 --> 00:30:40.720
I knew everything would end there.
But you lose the sense of time,

00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:47.520
I knew everything would end there.
But you lose the sense of time,

00:30:47.800 --> 00:30:47.920
and you never know how much time has passed.
You know it will all come to an end,

00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.160
and you never know how much time has passed.
You know it will all come to an end,

00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:54.280
because there is no rest. It's days, hours, minutes...

00:30:54.280 --> 00:30:58.960
because there is no rest. It's days, hours, minutes...

00:31:01.800 --> 00:31:01.920
It wasn't fear, it was willingness.
I wasn't afraid to die. On the contrary.
I wanted it to happen.

00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:07.600
It wasn't fear, it was willingness.
I wasn't afraid to die. On the contrary.
I wanted it to happen.

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:10.120
You can't do it, but if it were possible...

00:31:10.120 --> 00:31:19.880
You can't do it, but if it were possible...

00:31:21.320 --> 00:31:21.440
I saw it as a way to achieve inner peace,
a way to end such suffering. Yes, it sounds crazy.

00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:27.680
I saw it as a way to achieve inner peace,
a way to end such suffering. Yes, it sounds crazy.

00:31:28.360 --> 00:31:28.480
When he arrived he told me he was a forensic doctor.
I didn't believe him.

00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:32.520
When he arrived he told me he was a forensic doctor.
I didn't believe him.

00:31:34.040 --> 00:31:34.160
He told me he had to examine me.
I wasn't feeling well at all,

00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:41.240
He told me he had to examine me.
I wasn't feeling well at all,

00:31:42.360 --> 00:31:42.480
I flinched whenever he came close to me.
I told him not to touch me, to leave me alone.

00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:51.160
I flinched whenever he came close to me.
I told him not to touch me, to leave me alone.

00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:52.840
I was destroyed. The next day I didn't care any more.
I couldn't stand it any longer.

00:31:52.840 --> 00:31:59.160
I was destroyed. The next day I didn't care any more.
I couldn't stand it any longer.

00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:00.040
So when they took me there, I told myself:
what more can they do to me?

00:32:00.040 --> 00:32:10.640
So when they took me there, I told myself:
what more can they do to me?

00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:12.360
I showed him the marks I had in my body,
which I had just realised I had.

00:32:12.360 --> 00:32:20.320
I showed him the marks I had in my body,
which I had just realised I had.

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:20.760
They had continuously been torturing me,
so I hadn't even had a chance to look at my body.

00:32:20.760 --> 00:32:28.360
They had continuously been torturing me,
so I hadn't even had a chance to look at my body.

00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:29.720
When I showed them to him, he was alarmed,
I told me I had to be taken to hospital.

00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:34.680
When I showed them to him, he was alarmed,
I told me I had to be taken to hospital.

00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:35.840
They tell you what you have to testify,
you learn it by heart, you sign it, and they win.

00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:43.360
They tell you what you have to testify,
you learn it by heart, you sign it, and they win.

00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:44.120
That is what really hurts.

00:32:44.120 --> 00:32:48.000
That is what really hurts.

00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:48.800
When I arrived there was a desk where
the Guardia Civil made me sit.

00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:53.440
When I arrived there was a desk where
the Guardia Civil made me sit.

00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:55.120
Behind it was the public defender,
who I couldn't look at.

00:32:55.120 --> 00:33:02.280
Behind it was the public defender,
who I couldn't look at.

00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:02.800
I remember I couldn't even walk.
Two Guardia Civil agents had to drag me

00:33:02.800 --> 00:33:12.960
I remember I couldn't even walk.
Two Guardia Civil agents had to drag me

00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:13.960
so that I could testify,
and then they moved me to another chair.

00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:20.560
so that I could testify,
and then they moved me to another chair.

00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:21.160
I remember the woman realised I wasn't OK,
that the state I was in wasn't normal,

00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:28.320
I remember the woman realised I wasn't OK,
that the state I was in wasn't normal,

00:33:28.760 --> 00:33:28.880
and she asked what was wrong with me,
if anything was wrong.

00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:32.440
and she asked what was wrong with me,
if anything was wrong.

00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:40.520
Immediately, the man in charge said
"there's nothing wrong with her, she is just tired".

00:33:41.080 --> 00:33:41.200
Of course I was tired, I couldn't stand it any more.
I was shattered.

00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.800
Of course I was tired, I couldn't stand it any more.
I was shattered.

00:33:46.520 --> 00:33:46.640
The judge didn't even look me in the eye.
He read what they accused me of,

00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:55.360
The judge didn't even look me in the eye.
He read what they accused me of,

00:33:55.800 --> 00:33:55.920
and asked whether I was going to testify,
but without looking at me.

00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.680
and asked whether I was going to testify,
but without looking at me.

00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:01.800
Did the judge know what had happened?
It is him who will have to answer that question.

00:34:01.800 --> 00:34:06.960
Did the judge know what had happened?
It is him who will have to answer that question.

00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:07.480
But of course he knew. He knew, as all the judges
in the Spanish High Court know.

00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:14.960
But of course he knew. He knew, as all the judges
in the Spanish High Court know.

00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:17.040
I was in Soto del Real prison when
the people from CPT came.

00:34:17.040 --> 00:34:23.920
I was in Soto del Real prison when
the people from CPT came.

00:34:24.560 --> 00:34:24.680
The European Committee for
the Prevention of Torture.

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The European Committee for
the Prevention of Torture.

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They interviewed some of
the Basque prisoners, including me.

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They interviewed some of
the Basque prisoners, including me.

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We told them our experiences,
what we had gone through,
the tortures we had suffered.

00:34:35.520 --> 00:34:44.480
We told them our experiences,
what we had gone through,
the tortures we had suffered.

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They were intending to produce a report.
I don't know when it will be published,

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They were intending to produce a report.
I don't know when it will be published,

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because the Spanish state can veto it,
so it can't be published without it's permission.

00:34:53.160 --> 00:35:01.880
because the Spanish state can veto it,
so it can't be published without it's permission.

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Amnesty International is also looking into it,
so it will be made public, eventually.

00:35:02.680 --> 00:35:10.800
Amnesty International is also looking into it,
so it will be made public, eventually.

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Iratxe Sorzabal’s case is from 2001
and the reality is that it is one of a total
of 96 other cases from that year

00:35:44.160 --> 00:35:53.640
Iratxe Sorzabal’s case is from 2001
and the reality is that it is one of a total
of 96 other cases from that year

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and is similar in large measure to the cases of others-
cases that she was not aware of,
concerning people who she did not know.

00:35:54.760 --> 00:36:02.880
and is similar in large measure to the cases of others-
cases that she was not aware of,
concerning people who she did not know.

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I say this because there are
those that claim that there is a manual.
It doesn’t necessarily contain the full level
of detail on some of the things that
have been used in cases.

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I say this because there are
those that claim that there is a manual.
It doesn’t necessarily contain the full level
of detail on some of the things that
have been used in cases.

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The case is huge because
everything comes into play:
the physical, psychological and even
the sexual side of things.

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The case is huge because
everything comes into play:
the physical, psychological and even
the sexual side of things.

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That was what broke her to
such an extent that she suffers
from post-traumatic stress

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That was what broke her to
such an extent that she suffers
from post-traumatic stress

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and has been left with a series
of after effects that result in panic attacks
about it happening again.

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and has been left with a series
of after effects that result in panic attacks
about it happening again.

00:36:34.240 --> 00:36:34.360
At the end of the day the game
that they were playing over those days was this:
if you don’t say what we tell you to say

00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:41.520
At the end of the day the game
that they were playing over those days was this:
if you don’t say what we tell you to say

00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:42.000
in the statement being prepared for
the National High Court then we will
return here again,

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in the statement being prepared for
the National High Court then we will
return here again,

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and with the additional threat that,
maybe you don’t return here but
we may arrest your mother

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and with the additional threat that,
maybe you don’t return here but
we may arrest your mother

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and charge her with membership of an armed group.

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and charge her with membership of an armed group.

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And that is what they did continuously.

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And that is what they did continuously.

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Iratxe told the truth. It is obvious.

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Iratxe told the truth. It is obvious.

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What she went through, unfortunately,
has been the fate of many Basque people
when under arrest.

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What she went through, unfortunately,
has been the fate of many Basque people
when under arrest.

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When Iratxe gives account what happened
during her arrest,

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When Iratxe gives account what happened
during her arrest,

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and specially when she talks about how she lived it,
and how she still carries its burden,

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and specially when she talks about how she lived it,
and how she still carries its burden,

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it is something that is absolutely believable.
It is obvious,

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it is something that is absolutely believable.
It is obvious,

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because the trauma, and the consequences,
are the ones which are found in cases of torture.

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because the trauma, and the consequences,
are the ones which are found in cases of torture.

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They did ‘the sandwich’ on her.
They wrapped her up and put her on the ground.

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They did ‘the sandwich’ on her.
They wrapped her up and put her on the ground.

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They put rubber bands around her,
to ensure they left no marks on her.

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They put rubber bands around her,
to ensure they left no marks on her.

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She was left almost completely immobilised
on the ground where she only had
her head sticking out

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She was left almost completely immobilised
on the ground where she only had
her head sticking out

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and they put a number of different bags on her head.
On her transfer to the police station
they put the bag
on her head many times.

00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:09.360
and they put a number of different bags on her head.
On her transfer to the police station
they put the bag
on her head many times.

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She ripped the bag at one particular time.
And during her detention she had
to be hospitalised

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She ripped the bag at one particular time.
And during her detention she had
to be hospitalised

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because she had a problem with her neck.

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because she had a problem with her neck.

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And why did she have problem with her neck?

00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.880
And why did she have problem with her neck?

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Had she slept badly the previous night?
What had happened to her neck?

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Had she slept badly the previous night?
What had happened to her neck?

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Well you can imagine that suffocating
with the bag over her head

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Well you can imagine that suffocating
with the bag over her head

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she moved her head and neck in every possible
way to avoid suffocation.

00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:38.440
she moved her head and neck in every possible
way to avoid suffocation.

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Iratxe’s case has an additional element to it,
and it’s a question that we have put to many people:

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Iratxe’s case has an additional element to it,
and it’s a question that we have put to many people:

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Did you believe that you could die? The answer is yes.

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Did you believe that you could die? The answer is yes.

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This means suffocation,
the bag etc…allied with threats,

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This means suffocation,
the bag etc…allied with threats,

00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:57.960
being stripped naked,
being groped…all that…It is difficult to explain.

00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:04.480
being stripped naked,
being groped…all that…It is difficult to explain.

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French judges could be braver.

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French judges could be braver.

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I could have said more rash, but no, just braver.

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I could have said more rash, but no, just braver.

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Brave enough to face reality.

00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:39.560
Brave enough to face reality.

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If there was one "Iratxe" case, we would say:
"Well, it has only happened once..."

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If there was one "Iratxe" case, we would say:
"Well, it has only happened once..."

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But the cases of torture are hundreds, thousands.

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But the cases of torture are hundreds, thousands.

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We are dealing with 4,113 cases
with a name and surname

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We are dealing with 4,113 cases
with a name and surname

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and we know exactly what happened.

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and we know exactly what happened.

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They have given an account, an explanation,
there is detail and it is documented.

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They have given an account, an explanation,
there is detail and it is documented.

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They will refute this and what will happen i
s the number of cases

00:40:03.640 --> 00:40:08.280
They will refute this and what will happen i
s the number of cases

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and the level of intensity will increase.
Indeed, this is what has happened.

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and the level of intensity will increase.
Indeed, this is what has happened.

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Since we handed in the report hundreds
more cases have come to our attention.

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Since we handed in the report hundreds
more cases have come to our attention.

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The existence of torture is more than obvious.

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The existence of torture is more than obvious.

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However, we are told that "there is no proof".

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However, we are told that "there is no proof".

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I ask myself what kind of hypocrisy this is.

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.560
I ask myself what kind of hypocrisy this is.

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How can we work together with Spanish justice when

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How can we work together with Spanish justice when

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we know perfectly well
that they want nothing to do with this?

00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:46.000
we know perfectly well
that they want nothing to do with this?

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Torture is the most successfully hidden crime.

00:40:46.560 --> 00:40:49.800
Torture is the most successfully hidden crime.

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It happens in a situation where

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It happens in a situation where

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there are no other people
involved except the person being tortured
and the various people doing the torturing.

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I believe that the people
who have worked in amongst that,
even if they are the ones doing the torturing,

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I believe that the people
who have worked in amongst that,
even if they are the ones doing the torturing,

00:41:06.240 --> 00:41:06.360
know a lot about what has gone on.
And I think that one day some
of them will tell us what happened.

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:11.440
know a lot about what has gone on.
And I think that one day some
of them will tell us what happened.

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I felt guilty for not being there,
to ensure it didn’t happen.

00:42:37.560 --> 00:42:41.960
I felt guilty for not being there,
to ensure it didn’t happen.

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This can happen to any mother.
I am not a special mother, I am simply a mother.

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This can happen to any mother.
I am not a special mother, I am simply a mother.

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Because a mother believes that they will always
be able to rescue their children.
That a mother will always be able
to save them from great harm

00:42:51.720 --> 00:43:04.240
Because a mother believes that they will always
be able to rescue their children.
That a mother will always be able
to save them from great harm

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and I wasn’t able to prevent them
from arresting my daughter

00:43:05.160 --> 00:43:08.600
and I wasn’t able to prevent them
from arresting my daughter

00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.080
and I couldn’t prevent them
from torturing my daughter.

00:43:09.080 --> 00:43:11.480
and I couldn’t prevent them
from torturing my daughter.

00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:11.960
I felt terrible for years.

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I felt terrible for years.

00:43:18.520 --> 00:43:18.640
Now I don’t blame myself.

00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:20.640
Now I don’t blame myself.

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I may continue to feel bad, but
I don’t blame myself anymore.

00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.760
I may continue to feel bad, but
I don’t blame myself anymore.

00:43:26.680 --> 00:43:26.800
I want it to be different with my daughter Uraitz.

00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:34.280
I want it to be different with my daughter Uraitz.

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Part of my struggle is to find a way not to pass
the weight of torture on to her.

00:43:35.520 --> 00:43:45.280
Part of my struggle is to find a way not to pass
the weight of torture on to her.

00:43:46.160 --> 00:43:46.280
I feel the mother-daughter bond.

00:43:46.280 --> 00:44:00.000
I feel the mother-daughter bond.

00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:00.560
I feel my mother's pain when I was taken.

00:44:00.560 --> 00:44:07.320
I feel my mother's pain when I was taken.

00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:08.080
And to think that my daughter
could undergo something like this...

00:44:08.080 --> 00:44:13.760
And to think that my daughter
could undergo something like this...

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I said it before. We never spoke about
the torture that she suffered.

00:44:15.160 --> 00:44:21.080
I said it before. We never spoke about
the torture that she suffered.

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How is she going say it to her mother,
if personally she hasn’t been able,

00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:28.320
How is she going say it to her mother,
if personally she hasn’t been able,

00:44:28.720 --> 00:44:28.840
she hasn’t been able to write a letter
and explain to her mother what they have done to her.

00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:33.960
she hasn’t been able to write a letter
and explain to her mother what they have done to her.

00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:35.000
For her it has to be terrible to think about
the suffering of her mother.

00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.800
For her it has to be terrible to think about
the suffering of her mother.

00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:40.480
When I arrived here I thought about how lakes
are beautiful, but have limits.

00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:52.520
When I arrived here I thought about how lakes
are beautiful, but have limits.

00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:53.120
I have also written that I live in
a concrete city without a sea.

00:44:53.120 --> 00:45:01.000
I have also written that I live in
a concrete city without a sea.

00:45:01.600 --> 00:45:01.720
As the sea has no limits,
I felt the Cantabrian sea was a link with my people.

00:45:01.720 --> 00:45:12.080
As the sea has no limits,
I felt the Cantabrian sea was a link with my people.

00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:12.560
She misses it.

00:45:12.560 --> 00:45:14.880
She misses it.

00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:18.080
Those of us from the coast miss it.
If we go away, sure it has been so many years

00:45:18.080 --> 00:45:23.640
Those of us from the coast miss it.
If we go away, sure it has been so many years

00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:25.080
since she has last seen the Cantabrian sea.

00:45:25.080 --> 00:45:28.520
since she has last seen the Cantabrian sea.

00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:30.040
Obviously she misses it.

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Obviously she misses it.

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And a lot of other things too.

00:45:33.560 --> 00:45:36.040
And a lot of other things too.

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Her daughter for example.
He daughter first and foremost.

00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:43.000
Who she hasn’t been able to raise.
I have had to raise her.

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:46.520
Who she hasn’t been able to raise.
I have had to raise her.

00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:03.560
He didn’t tell me, he forced me.
If he had told me, maybe I would have refused.

00:47:03.560 --> 00:47:09.440
He didn’t tell me, he forced me.
If he had told me, maybe I would have refused.

00:47:09.520 --> 00:47:09.640
But there came a point where
I couldn’t resist anymore.
They tortured me and forced me
to make those statements.

00:47:09.640 --> 00:47:13.600
But there came a point where
I couldn’t resist anymore.
They tortured me and forced me
to make those statements.

00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:15.040
It began around the time that they arrested me
and brought me to the barracks in Intxaurrondo.

00:47:15.040 --> 00:47:20.000
It began around the time that they arrested me
and brought me to the barracks in Intxaurrondo.

00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:20.400
They later brought me to the house in Hernani
to carry out the search.

00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.240
They later brought me to the house in Hernani
to carry out the search.

00:47:24.520 --> 00:47:24.640
After that they put me in a car
and transferred me to Madrid.

00:47:24.640 --> 00:47:29.320
After that they put me in a car
and transferred me to Madrid.

00:47:31.200 --> 00:47:31.320
It was at that point that I was put through Hell.

00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.560
It was at that point that I was put through Hell.

00:47:35.200 --> 00:47:35.320
On that journey in the car
they used electric shocks on me,
they began beating me, insulting me,

00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:44.560
On that journey in the car
they used electric shocks on me,
they began beating me, insulting me,

00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:45.040
groping me, brutalising me,
suffocating me, where I lost consciousness,
where they burnt me.

00:47:45.040 --> 00:47:51.640
groping me, brutalising me,
suffocating me, where I lost consciousness,
where they burnt me.

00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:52.000
It was on that journey that they did all that to me.

00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.560
It was on that journey that they did all that to me.

00:47:58.120 --> 00:47:58.240
Well later I would mind out
that it was the General Management Staff
of the Guardia Civil.

00:47:58.240 --> 00:48:01.600
Well later I would mind out
that it was the General Management Staff
of the Guardia Civil.

00:48:01.600 --> 00:48:01.680
But at that moment I didn’t know anything.

00:48:01.680 --> 00:48:03.760
But at that moment I didn’t know anything.

00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:04.080
I couldn't see nor knew anything. From the time that
I was put in that car they had a blindfold on me,

00:48:04.080 --> 00:48:10.280
I couldn't see nor knew anything. From the time that
I was put in that car they had a blindfold on me,

00:48:11.040 --> 00:48:11.160
as well as all the plastic bags that they put
on me to suffocate me,

00:48:11.160 --> 00:48:15.040
as well as all the plastic bags that they put
on me to suffocate me,

00:48:15.560 --> 00:48:15.680
so I didn’t know where
I was or where they had brought me.

00:48:15.680 --> 00:48:20.920
so I didn’t know where
I was or where they had brought me.

00:48:21.560 --> 00:48:21.680
You have described it as the following:
they say that I have 3 possibilities.

00:48:21.680 --> 00:48:24.840
You have described it as the following:
they say that I have 3 possibilities.

00:48:25.240 --> 00:48:25.360
One, if I don’t make a statement to the police
they will continue to deal out the same treatment
that they have given me until now.

00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:31.120
One, if I don’t make a statement to the police
they will continue to deal out the same treatment
that they have given me until now.

00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:31.560
The bag, beatings, electrodes.
And their superior was very well aware
of the techniques they were using

00:48:31.560 --> 00:48:35.760
The bag, beatings, electrodes.
And their superior was very well aware
of the techniques they were using

00:48:36.120 --> 00:48:36.240
so they didn’t have any problem.

00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:38.240
so they didn’t have any problem.

00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:38.440
Option 2, if I go forward to declare in court but
I don’t say word for word what we had rehearsed,

00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:44.760
Option 2, if I go forward to declare in court but
I don’t say word for word what we had rehearsed,

00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:44.840
the treatement would get much worse

00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.840
the treatement would get much worse

00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:48.040
and that over the three remaining days in custody
I would suffer until I died.

00:48:48.040 --> 00:48:50.800
and that over the three remaining days in custody
I would suffer until I died.

00:48:51.200 --> 00:48:51.320
Option 3, if I made the statement just as they wanted,

00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:56.040
Option 3, if I made the statement just as they wanted,

00:48:56.040 --> 00:48:56.080
they wouldn’t lay another finger on me and
they would allow me to sleep.

00:48:56.080 --> 00:48:59.120
they wouldn’t lay another finger on me and
they would allow me to sleep.

00:49:00.640 --> 00:49:00.760
Which of these three options did you choose?

00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.880
Which of these three options did you choose?

00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:03.440
Clearly the third. Obviously the third.

00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:08.280
Clearly the third. Obviously the third.

00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:08.960
After the hell they were putting me through,
I couldn’t choose any other option.

00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.400
After the hell they were putting me through,
I couldn’t choose any other option.

00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:13.960
I confessed to very serious crimes,
I made false accusations against people that
I know and against others that I don’t know.

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I confessed to very serious crimes,
I made false accusations against people that
I know and against others that I don’t know.

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And they could have continued on because
I remember saying to them:

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And they could have continued on because
I remember saying to them:

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“If you want I will sign that I killed Carrero Blanco”.

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“If you want I will sign that I killed Carrero Blanco”.

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That is what I said to them and they laughed at me.
They said they couldn’t make that believable,

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That is what I said to them and they laughed at me.
They said they couldn’t make that believable,

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but not to you worry,
they were going put a lot in and make it believable.

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but not to you worry,
they were going put a lot in and make it believable.

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I implicated myself in lots of things and
made false accusations against others.

00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.880
I implicated myself in lots of things and
made false accusations against others.

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It is difficult, I understand it perfectly.

00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.440
It is difficult, I understand it perfectly.

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Iratxe has put together a theatre production.
Ah yes, in prison.

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Iratxe has put together a theatre production.
Ah yes, in prison.

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The play is in French.She recorded it and
she has made a version for us in Basque.

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The play is in French.She recorded it and
she has made a version for us in Basque.

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I want you to listen to it now.
I think you will understand it.

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I want you to listen to it now.
I think you will understand it.

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You press play and listen to it.
I have to press here?

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You press play and listen to it.
I have to press here?

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I'm the descendant of the witches
that they weren't able to burn at the stake,
and I'm free.

00:50:51.640 --> 00:50:55.560
I'm the descendant of the witches
that they weren't able to burn at the stake,
and I'm free.

00:50:57.800 --> 00:50:57.920
It's dark, I feel the dampness of the walls on my skin,
piercing my skin.

00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:03.600
It's dark, I feel the dampness of the walls on my skin,
piercing my skin.

00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:04.960
I can see nothing but darkness.
How can one see darkness?

00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:09.080
I can see nothing but darkness.
How can one see darkness?

00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:11.400
I don't feel trapped, but I feel your anguish.

00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.520
I don't feel trapped, but I feel your anguish.

00:51:15.520 --> 00:51:15.560
Those times when you have been able
to escape the Inquisition to come here,

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Those times when you have been able
to escape the Inquisition to come here,

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under the protection of the cave,
in the shelters in our mountains,

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under the protection of the cave,
in the shelters in our mountains,

00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:24.960
You were born to be free,
and fire wouldn't be an obstacle.

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You were born to be free,
and fire wouldn't be an obstacle.

00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:34.440
They have changed their methods,
but not the intensity of horror.

00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.360
They have changed their methods,
but not the intensity of horror.

00:51:39.640 --> 00:51:39.760
We both share a bond that can't be undone.

00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:43.720
We both share a bond that can't be undone.

00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:45.440
They have stripped you naked,
I have been stripped naked.

00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.200
They have stripped you naked,
I have been stripped naked.

00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:50.080
They have hit you, they have hit me.

00:51:50.080 --> 00:51:53.840
They have hit you, they have hit me.

00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:55.600
You have been raped, I have been raped.

00:51:55.600 --> 00:51:59.000
You have been raped, I have been raped.

00:52:00.240 --> 00:52:00.360
They burnt your body parts under the fire.

00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.920
They burnt your body parts under the fire.

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In my case, due to progress,
they burnt my skin with electrodes.

00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:09.400
In my case, due to progress,
they burnt my skin with electrodes.

00:52:10.720 --> 00:52:10.840
They have sunk your head in the waters of the stream.

00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.800
They have sunk your head in the waters of the stream.

00:52:14.040 --> 00:52:14.160
They have put a plastic bag over my face.

00:52:14.160 --> 00:52:18.440
They have put a plastic bag over my face.

00:52:19.080 --> 00:52:19.200
They have stopped me from breathing once and again,
until I have lost my consciousness.

00:52:19.200 --> 00:52:24.360
They have stopped me from breathing once and again,
until I have lost my consciousness.

00:52:27.640 --> 00:52:27.760
I have left the cave behind. I can smell the forest.

00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:32.280
I have left the cave behind. I can smell the forest.

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The warmth of beech and oak trees.
I continue walking.

00:52:33.720 --> 00:52:38.400
The warmth of beech and oak trees.
I continue walking.

00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.080
I walk towards the sea.

00:52:40.080 --> 00:52:41.520
I walk towards the sea.

00:52:42.160 --> 00:52:42.280
Although the forest is the heart,
the sea is my breath.

00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:46.800
Although the forest is the heart,
the sea is my breath.

00:52:47.720 --> 00:52:47.840
I feel the salty air on my cheeks.

00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.080
I feel the salty air on my cheeks.

00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:50.840
The roaring waves echo in my body.

00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.920
The roaring waves echo in my body.

00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:54.880
And I see the rocks amongst the waves.

00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:59.720
And I see the rocks amongst the waves.

00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:01.000
We call them twin rocks, Dumbarriak.

00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:03.840
We call them twin rocks, Dumbarriak.

00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:05.560
I see the cliffs, the beach, limitless space, freedom.

00:53:05.560 --> 00:53:11.200
I see the cliffs, the beach, limitless space, freedom.

00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:12.400
Words, laughter, joy... life.

00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:15.760
Words, laughter, joy... life.

00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:17.440
I'm the descendant
of the witches that they weren't able
to burn at the stake, and I'm free.

00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:23.160
I'm the descendant
of the witches that they weren't able
to burn at the stake, and I'm free.

00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:37.960
It’s very tough

00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:39.200
It’s very tough

00:53:42.720 --> 00:53:42.840
What do you think she is trying to express.

00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.360
What do you think she is trying to express.

00:53:46.560 --> 00:53:46.680
I am happy that she has been able
to express it in this way.

00:53:46.680 --> 00:53:53.680
I am happy that she has been able
to express it in this way.

00:53:55.040 --> 00:53:55.160
If she has expressed it in this way
it’s because she is getting on ok.
It is powerful.

00:53:55.160 --> 00:54:06.160
If she has expressed it in this way
it’s because she is getting on ok.
It is powerful.

00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:08.040
Yes, right now
I have been left without words. I feel it.
I really feel it.

00:54:08.040 --> 00:54:12.920
Yes, right now
I have been left without words. I feel it.
I really feel it.